Full Tilt riiged articles? Could they be genuine?

[Ant8472]

Hey all,

I've only been here a short time and I have quickly gathered that posts on conspiracy theories about poker sites being rigged is not all that welcome. So, perhaps my better judgment I wish to bring the topic up again.

The reason to bring it up is that I've come across a couple of articles that, if true, seem to confirm a great deal of suspicions that exist. Has anyone seen the following posts? Can anyone enlighten me on their veracity?

The first article is from a self proclaimed programmer at Full Tilt who gives his account of the 'inside' workings of the system and how it rigs the system. Many of his explanations tie in perfectly with the observations I've made about Fll Tilt (short stacks being knocked out, big action flops, etc).

The second post is from a University study of Full Tilt hands over a sample of 10,000s of hands and concludes that big hands like full houses, straights and flushes appear far too frequently.

1st post

http://rounding.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/full-tilt-leans-towards-big-hands/#comment-1226

on December 29, 2008 at 5:31 pm Bob Smith
Their are many folk out there arguing about if online poker is rigged or not…I wold like to help put this to rest by stating that it is rigged in many different ways. i helped write some of the software for tiltware LLC…while working on the fulltilt site some of the other programmers and i were asked to install programming into the software that would recognize certain players and provide them with unbeatable hands. we were also asked to develope software that would provide what they called the”maximum oppurtunity to bet” which meant that the deals are rigged to deal out alot of good starting hands to alot of players so that the most betting possible would take place on every deal. The deal would then provide a monster flop in which atleast two players would be all in before the river.(ever wonder why nobody ever misses the flop online…because then no one would bet and that is not what fulltilt wants) This keeps the tourneys fast paced and exciting which players love. Fulltilt loves this too, the faster you lose the faster they can make more money off you by having enter another tourney.
There is also another way fulltilt cheats you out of cash with their own personal players. These players are called house players and are fulltime employees of the Fulltilt compnay. If you check some names and their online wins vs. loss records you will often find them with records that are simply unreal. I have seen some of these folks who win over 50 straight sessions without a loss…how can this be possible unless they are working on the inside. They come and go and change their names often but they play in the site with the full adavantage of being able to see all the cards in play and in the deck.
Another programming trick we wrote into the software at fulltilt is the levels trick…this trick takes place when a tournament has been running after the first break. The computer recognizes the different size of each players chip stack and begins to deal out hands in which a small stack will shove all in and a large stack will have a better hand to call with. Have you ever wondered why you get pocekt QQs with 1500 chips and the guy next to you gets pockets KKs and he has 10,000 chips? The answer is simple the site is programmed to get you to play as much as possible. So we programmed the site to eliminate the small stack as quickly as possible so that they can go enter another tourney asap. The site is even prgrammed to adjust the flop for big stacks so that even if the big stack calls your hand with nothing he will end up beating your good made hand by the river. Often times the site will deal you back to back hands with the same cards but maybe different colors or suits..this “glitch” is a sign that the computer is adjusting the shuffle to start elimnting small stacks and allow the tourney to finish quicker.
The sooner a tournament is done the faster fulltilt can have you back at another table spending more money…it is to this sites best interested to eliminate you from tables as fast as possbile. There is no one to regulate how the company manipulates the software to thier own advantage. There is no one to monitor how the company pays out its players and employees. Simply put, giving some offshore account your hard earned cash is simply insane. Thinking that these people arent cheating you out of your money is crazy, the site has many layers of hidden programming all set up to take full adavantage of all types of players from novice to expert.
the main reason i wrote this blog is to expose the fraud that takes place at online gaming site known as Fulltilt poker i was fired three months ago from the company that helped write the software..yes i am bitter and mad but i do fell everyone so know how bad fulltilt is and that is a site built by THIEVES!!

2nd Post


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DRAFT / ABSTRACT

A major university recently completed a study of the on-line poker site FullTiltPoker.Net, the “free” side of Full Tilt Poker.

Over the course of the one-year study students entered into, but did not play in, over 10,000 9-person Sit & Go No Limit Hold’em 250 (play money) tournaments. Player stats were recorded, and later analyzed. Over 57,000 individual hands made up the study sample.

The study revealed that the dealing of cards at Full Tilt Poker is not random. The site has a tendency to deal a statistically abnormal amount of “big” hands, including straights, flushes, full houses, four of a kind, etc.

The odds of “hitting” a particular hand when seven cards are dealt from a 52-card deck are easily calculated. We won’t go into the gory mathematical details, but you are certainly invited to look them up for yourself if you don’t believe us.

For example, when seven cards are dealt from a 52-card deck, the odds of hitting a royal flush are approximately 500,000 to 1. That’s why you don’t see very many of them in the real world, let alone get one yourself. Yet, on Full Tilt we saw a royal flush in approximately 1 out of every 4,432 hands dealt, over 1,000 times as often as statistical probability would dictate. Several of our players were dealt more than one royal flush over the course of the study.

Oddly, a non-royal straight flush came up in 1 out of 7,203 hands during our study. With a random deal, the probability of hitting any kind of non-royal straight flush is approximately 83,000 to 1. That probability is multiplied by a factor of 10 at Full Tilt.

The most common winning hand in our tournaments at Full Tilt was 2 pairs. It came up on average 1 out of every 13 hands, about twice as often as statistical probability would dictate. With a random seven-card deal from a 52-card deck, a 2-pair hand should come up every 21 hands on average.

Likewise, all the other “big hands” occurred far more often on Full Tilt than one would expect from a truly random (and honest) deal. A straight came up in 1 out of every 54 hands dealt. Normal odds for a straight are 1 in every 283 seven-card hands. Likewise, a flush came up in 1 out of every 54 hands, the same as straights. In the real world, we would expect to see a flush in approximately 1 out of every 500 hands, or about half as often as a straight. On Full Tilt straights and flushes come up with almost equal frequency, yet another statistical anomaly.

Interestingly, the most common straights on Full Tilt are the ace high straight and the five high straight. They came up more than four times as often as any other kind of straight. This, in and of itself, represents another glaring statistical anomaly.

Hands with three-of-a-kind were observed in 1 out of every 27 hands, almost twice the 1 out of 47 hands one expects to see in the real world.
A full house came up on average 1 in every 71 hands dealt. This far exceeds the 1 in every 694 hands you will see in the real world.

Hands with four-of-a-kind occurred on Full Tilt in one 1 of every 281 hands, far more often then the 1 out of every 4,166 hands one expects from an random deal.

We can only conclude that Full Tilt does not deal cards randomly, but is programmed to produce big hands. Perhaps this makes for more “exciting” play, but it is less than honest.

[pegboy1]

"bob smith" ?
"a major university"?

cmon rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ant8472]

For the 'riggers' out there. You might like to check out the following sites. Some of the links contained on these pages take you to some revealing stuff.

The second link is to the ECOGRA site which is an independent body that audits online casino and poker software and puts their tick of approval on those that check out. Now I don't know if Full Tilt falls within the umbrella of the sites that this organisation would audit, but for whatever reason, it is not listed as an approved site. neither is Pokerstars.

Full Tilt Leans Towards Big Hands? My Poker Million

Approved Sites

Any comments, insights? Has anyone heard of eCOGRA?

Anthony

[Jab Series]

For example, when seven cards are dealt from a 52-card deck, the odds of hitting a royal flush are approximately 500,000 to 1. That’s why you don’t see very many of them in the real world, let alone get one yourself. Yet, on Full Tilt we saw a royal flush in approximately 1 out of every 4,432 hands dealt, over 1,000 times as often as statistical probability would dictate. Several of our players were dealt more than one royal flush over the course of the study.

lolololol. Horrible. The odds of hitting a royal flush is 500,000 to 1 and they used a 60,000 hand sample to test it. Interesting.

The most common winning hand in our tournaments at Full Tilt was 2 pairs. It came up on average 1 out of every 13 hands, about twice as often as statistical probability would dictate. With a random seven-card deal from a 52-card deck, a 2-pair hand should come up every 21 hands on average.

Funny how they used the odds of 1 player hitting 2pair in 7card stud and compared it to statistics they compiled for an entire table at 9seat fullring holdem games.

Likewise, all the other “big hands” occurred far more often on Full Tilt than one would expect from a truly random (and honest) deal. A straight came up in 1 out of every 54 hands dealt. Normal odds for a straight are 1 in every 283 seven-card hands. Likewise, a flush came up in 1 out of every 54 hands, the same as straights. In the real world, we would expect to see a flush in approximately 1 out of every 500 hands, or about half as often as a straight. On Full Tilt straights and flushes come up with almost equal frequency, yet another statistical anomaly.

Again their statistics are wrong. They don't take into account the fact that there are 9 players at the table, not 1. Somebody at the study shoulda realized that the odds of somebody having a big hand at a 9 player table is larger than the odds of a big hand happening if you just had 1 player.

Interestingly, the most common straights on Full Tilt are the ace high straight and the five high straight. They came up more than four times as often as any other kind of straight. This, in and of itself, represents another glaring statistical anomaly.

Statistical anomaly??? This can't be for real. Maybe the fact that people play AK and AQ and AJ and KQ and KJ and JT and AT and KT and fold hands like 74 and 83 and 58 is the reason higher straights happen more than lower ones. Good god, this study is horrble.


This study wouldn't get a C-in a statistics class.

[cdavi]

Ant,

I introduced you to this site to debunk why you think it's rigged. It's not. Anyone can just post something and state facts that convince nieve people that want to believe in something. If I wanted, I could have gone off with the fact you believe it was rigged and told you I had proof and made up ANYTHING and therefore would have convinced you even further. If you are going to believe, then believe. If what the people here have shown you (look up the numbers and watch the players that have great stats) won't convince you, that's fine. DON'T PLAY. If you continue to play, that is rediculous. You obviously believe it's rigged. Would you play a game of "chance" against a street hustler when you know they are rigging it to their favour. No. Then y play here. You've said your numbers are great on other sites, play on other sites. If you don't think other sites are rigged, play there. Make money, and start contributing with some hand plays or stories, not fiction YOU WANT to be fact. Yes it was against your better judgement because your last post about it being rigged was locked. As I'm sure this one will be as well.

Please Ant, let it be and make smart choices. If you think it's rigged, move onto another poker site like Stars or Cake or Carbon or whatever ones you are making money.

What i believe is that you are a glass is half empty kinda guy and because you are losing, you want to believe that it's not you, it's something else. You are destined to lose. Problem with that, you aren't. Everyone has an equal chance to win. The winners just play more and play better. For every 100 tables you play, Lappin or Rounder or others play 10,000. They've seen all the bad beats. They've seen things you couldn't even imagine. Why, because they play SO MANY MORE hands and tables, they will see it all. I"m sure they used to think it was crap when they lost, but instead of blaming others and blaming the site, they looked in the mirror. They found their mistakes, and got their money in in better situations. They found bigger percentages. The best poker player in the world won't win every tourney and won't win money every day. That's why it's poker. It's not because it's rigged. It's not because the creators of FullTilt didn't want them to win, it's odds. AA loses to kk, in fact, it loses to 72. That's odds. It doesn't happen more than you think. I don't know exact odds of aa vs 72, but lets say 90-10. THEREFORE, EVERYTIME TIME AA IS DEALT VS 72, 72 WILL WIN 1 TIME OUT OF 10. That's not unreasonable to see it happen. Coin flips...take a coin, call it out, I bet you go on strings of right that are unbelievable and then strings of wrong that must make you think it's rigged. It's not. You ahve a 50% chance EVERYTIME.

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen and stop blaming others. Blame what you can control. If you still can't look into the mirror and are convinced, don't waste your time or money and leave FullTilt. Simple as that. There are still hundreds (if not thousands) of poker sites. The smaller the site, the more likely you'll find rigged play btw, but gl.

Enough of it being rigged.

[otbdave]

I couldn't resist

[cdavi]

lol, ty Dave. See, even more than 1 in 10

[Musa Musayev]

I don't see online poker as being rigged. It's just the fact that you are playing many more hands in an hour, so you see more bad beats.

[cantshaikme]

I'm going to rig the BBP software so I can block threads from certain users.