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    K9o w 6 BBs, limped pot 3-way

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    Structure - 5000 starting stack, no re-buys, 15 min blinds, blinds start at 100-200, 200-400, 300-600, 400/800 etc. I made the final table and the game was 8 handed. Players description:

    CO - very fishy young lady, no clue what she's doing, running incredibly good, random limps, min-raises, calls with 0 equity etc. seen her limp 99, KK.
    BB - laggy fish, capable of folding to resistance and agression;

    I have K9o w 5 BBs in the SB at 400/800, no ante. CO limps, button folds hero??? CO was chip leader with prolly 20 BBs, BB has me slightly covered, would fold if there's no hand to a push, CO will likely call a shove, trembling and shaking, desperately wants to win.
    Last edited by AlphaDion; 04-17-2012 at 09:11 PM.
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    With no other information, I think you have to shove K-9o from the small blind after a late position limper.

    If we factor in that she has limped previously with K-K and 9-9, that she "will likely call a shove", and is the chip leader (and therefore even more likely to call), I think you have no choice but to fold here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipless Wonder View Post
    With no other information, I think you have to shove K-9o from the small blind after a late position limper.

    If we factor in that she has limped previously with K-K and 9-9, that she "will likely call a shove", and is the chip leader (and therefore even more likely to call), I think you have no choice but to fold here.
    Ok, Scott, what range would you shove against this player in this spot?
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    I agree with Scott. The nice part is, even with only 5bbs you have fold equity against randoms. wait for a spot to open shove or a hand with better equity.
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    you have 5bb and this is basicaly a winner take all tourney. There is no icm consideration here as all chip values equal and moving up spots is pointless. If you think button is limping wide push, go out swinging. I am inclined that your k9o shove will be a +cev play. Just because she limped 99 an d KK does not mean she is now.
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    I shove here because this is a perfect spot and I might not find a better one. I don't think anyone can justify passing on this spot with 5 blinds 8 handed. Folding is a mistake 100% of the time. Based on the info provided I expect a bad call or a bad fold from CO. Does CO limp with 22-88? Is 9,10 QJ, and other donk/limp hands in her range? Did CO limp in late position with 99 and KK? IMO, if you pass on this spot you are waiting for a big hand. With 15 minute levels you can never pass on ideal spots!

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfproclaim View Post
    Does CO limp with 22-88? Is 9,10 QJ, and other donk/limp hands in her range? Did CO limp in late position with 99 and KK?
    CO basicly was limp calling w any two, esp. after she had some chips... I dont think anyone had an idea of stacks/position/ranges, they were limp/folding w 2-3 BBs, calling 2 way allins w Q8o etc. CO called a flop all-in by a short stack w J2o on an AQ8rrr board!!! The guy turned over A7o, turn a J, river a 2 When she limped KK there was already a limper in the pot. The question is whether a fold is justified as she's already limped and we expect a call if we shove, or to fold and wait for a better hand; as you said this was a live turbo and we did not have enough time to wait for top 5%. Is a fold justified when literally every pot was limped and you cant expect to open shove a decent hand in LP? If we fold, what range are we shoving there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cambo71 View Post
    you have 5bb and this is basicaly a winner take all tourney. There is no icm consideration here as all chip values equal and moving up spots is pointless. If you think button is limping wide push, go out swinging. I am inclined that your k9o shove will be a +cev play. Just because she limped 99 an d KK does not mean she is now.
    Cameron brings up good points. I guess it would depend on how often she's limping and what she's shown down. If she limps random smaller connectors etc. Then I'd probably shove, but if she's always showing down broadways or decent aces +. I'm inclined to fold and look to open shove. we are roughly risking 4k to win 6k so we don't have to have a ton of equity. >0% she folds as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaDion View Post
    CO basicly was limp calling w any two, esp. after she had some chips... I dont think anyone had an idea of stacks/position/ranges, they were limp/folding w 2-3 BBs, calling 2 way allins w Q8o etc. CO called a flop all-in by a short stack w J2o on an AQ8rrr board!!! The guy turned over A7o, turn a J, river a 2 When she limped KK there was already a limper in the pot. The question is whether a fold is justified as she's already limped and we expect a call if we shove, or to fold and wait for a better hand; as you said this was a live turbo and we did not have enough time to wait for top 5%. Is a fold justified when literally every pot was limped and you cant expect to open shove a decent hand in LP? If we fold, what range are we shoving there?
    If she's limping almost any two, it's a clear shove.
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    Bottom line is you have two ppl in the hand, CO and BB. Based on your analysis the chances of a better spot is unlikely. Without being there it is tough to be certain, but I feel like you could make a case for shipping any ATC.
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