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    Removing the preflop steal.

    Play has def changed in the 45 person tourneys.. And i honestly thing that the preflop steal is really useless.

    I pushed with a crappy hand from the SB with K10 after a button limper. He had around 5500 i had around 2k. I push with K10 and he calls. He had 98
    and won.

    Now 6 months ago. I would not see these calls being mad. I think it might have to do with the economy or something that a lot of bad players with no clue are joining the ranks. I get called from everything from Q2 to J5 to 98 to 75 all in preflop. No pot odds or anything. The thing is if you have AK or so. You have a good chance of losing.

    Does anyone see this happening and feel that removing this would be profitable. I would love to hear opinions on this.

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    I have been noticing this too a lot lately, but honestly have no solution. I'm on a bad run right now with some BRUTAL calls against me. How to the Pro's counteract this, or do they just still push n pray?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortmat1444 View Post
    Play has def changed in the 45 person tourneys.. And i honestly thing that the preflop steal is really useless.

    I pushed with a crappy hand from the SB with K10 after a button limper. He had around 5500 i had around 2k. I push with K10 and he calls. He had 98
    and won.

    Now 6 months ago. I would not see these calls being mad. I think it might have to do with the economy or something that a lot of bad players with no clue are joining the ranks. I get called from everything from Q2 to J5 to 98 to 75 all in preflop. No pot odds or anything. The thing is if you have AK or so. You have a good chance of losing.

    Does anyone see this happening and feel that removing this would be profitable. I would love to hear opinions on this.
    One thing i have noticed a lot in the past 3 weeks growing is the LP limper, and im raping these guys. of course if its a beast doing it watch out but the majority of the time its a no-name.

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    im not even worried about the guys hands.. its just they call with such wide hands its hard to have them dominated.. Unles you got a big pair of course.. I rather see flops thens teal cuz i get called no matter what.

    3 left.. Guy raised minimum to 2400.. he had 10k left.. i pushed him for all in.. he called me with J10 lol i had A10 and won

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortmat1444 View Post
    Play has def changed in the 45 person tourneys.. And i honestly thing that the preflop steal is really useless.

    I pushed with a crappy hand from the SB with K10 after a button limper. He had around 5500 i had around 2k. I push with K10 and he calls. He had 98
    and won.

    Now 6 months ago. I would not see these calls being mad. I think it might have to do with the economy or something that a lot of bad players with no clue are joining the ranks. I get called from everything from Q2 to J5 to 98 to 75 all in preflop. No pot odds or anything. The thing is if you have AK or so. You have a good chance of losing.

    Does anyone see this happening and feel that removing this would be profitable. I would love to hear opinions on this.
    Def. seeing alot more of this kind of horrid limp call shove hands. I have really tried to scale back on the shoves for those positions, bu it was hard to change that strategy. I have noticed to be going deeper not making those plays and waiting for a better opportunity.

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    I'm also having a much harder time in the 45s than I was a few months ago. In my case though, I think my level of play has slipped. I feel this way because I'm playing the $11, $26 and $75, and I'm losing money in all three.
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    Yea same here chipless. Just making it to the final table and losing. Sickening really. Got people in first pushing 8k with A7 offsuit and beating my 99.

    I don't expect the play to get any better ever. But its sad shouldn't we be making more money and not losing.

    100 dollar sit and go. heads up. My GF calls me. and tell me to hurry the F upppto her house.. So i straight push 4500 blinds 80 160 guy is even with me with A6 off. He isnta calls me with 78 and loses. just impossible to play honestly... No more two bet bluffing for me. Since 4th pair will call you knowing you have nothing even though you were at the table for 3 hands lol. GL all....

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