Advice Needed vs Maniac?

[peroxide_stings]

Midnight donkfest....some background

Myself and the villian have run into each other several times, he was somewhat loose and was waiting for a mistake, he has come over the top several times, twice pre and one cbet of mine. I had nothing and had to fold waiting for the right time to play back at him. I had just cbet a dry flop vs him and took it down and then this hand....

Full Tilt Poker Game #11674776545: Midnight Madness! (86716969), Table 87 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:47:16 ET - 2009/04/14
Seat 1: Nohans Moleman (3,361)
Seat 2: postman69 (1,320)
Seat 3: upncoming (5,105)
Seat 4: QuickSilver7 (4,185)
Seat 5: RazeKane (5,545)
Seat 6: peroxide_stings (8,193)
Seat 8: silwil (13,217)
Seat 9: MaxCarl (7,276)
Nohans Moleman antes 25
postman69 antes 25
upncoming antes 25
QuickSilver7 antes 25
RazeKane antes 25
peroxide_stings antes 25
silwil antes 25
MaxCarl antes 25
silwil posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to peroxide_stings [Jd Qs]
MaxCarl folds
runninghotagain sits down
runninghotagain adds 3,924
Nohans Moleman folds
postman69 folds
upncoming folds
QuickSilver7 has 15 seconds left to act
QuickSilver7 folds
RazeKane folds
peroxide_stings raises to 688
silwil has 15 seconds left to act
silwil calls 448
*** FLOP *** [2s 8h Qh]
silwil checks
peroxide_stings has 15 seconds left to act
peroxide_stings bets 898
silwil raises to 4,270
peroxide_stings raises to 7,480, and is all in
silwil calls 3,210
peroxide_stings shows [Jd Qs]
silwil shows [Ks Qd]
*** TURN *** [2s 8h Qh] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [2s 8h Qh 7s] [9d]
peroxide_stings shows a pair of Queens
silwil shows a pair of Queens
silwil wins the pot (16,536) with a pair of Queens
peroxide_stings stands up
Nohans Moleman stands up
postman69 stands up
upncoming stands up
QuickSilver7 stands up
RazeKane stands up
runninghotagain stands up
silwil stands up
MaxCarl stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16,536 | Rake 0
Board: [2s 8h Qh 7s 9d]
Seat 1: Nohans Moleman folded before the Flop
Seat 2: postman69 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: upncoming folded before the Flop
Seat 4: QuickSilver7 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: RazeKane folded before the Flop
Seat 6: peroxide_stings (button) showed [Jd Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 8: silwil (big blind) showed [Ks Qd] and won (16,536) with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: MaxCarl folded before the Flop


Given the scenerio and the way it played, what are my mistakes here...HELP NEEDED!!!!! LOL

[Quirmbach]

I'd say calling his raise was probably a bit loose. All you could beat would be a bluff or a miracle q10, and he is obviously committing to the pot with the raise. Unless this guy is going pretty crazy from hand to hand I try to avoid making that call.

[DevilFish73]

I find myself in this situation too often.. I use to do what you did here with the QJ, but I am now avoiding this by keeping my head. There is zero equity in getting into one of these battle in the first place but we all do it.. I now scroll my chat bar up so I can't see his responses or anyone else that may reply and I play my game as if that person is not even at the table.. I play the cards dealt and the table as a whole. If you did want to catch him in a mistake you have to have a hand to do it with and as Charlie said previously, QJ isn't it..

[ThePenguin22]

I strongly agree, I dont play tournaments but if someone is getting out of line or playing way too loose in a cash game I will make a stand at some point, it has to be with a stronger hand than QJ though.

[Dr Fill Good]

As often happens, I have a different view on this situation from the others. Your opponent's range, if he is as maniac as you say, is much wider then Q10+. He'd be pulling that with any 2 hearts, and likely any sporadic Q he happens to have in his hand. This is essentially a BvB hand which widens his range as well.

How long do you let yourself get bullied before you make a stand? Folding is the safer choice, especially as you had a ton of chips left over. But I like your play here.

[DevilFish73]

Perception is the key word here.. It appears that we don't know what he had when he made these previous moves, so he might not be the maniac we think he is and therefore his range not as wide.. Case in point, I had AK, AK, 1010, and QQ all in a row yesterday and 3bet twice on the same guy.. I am sure in his mind he thought I was a maniac.. But as you can see I had good reason to make the plays that I made..


With all that being said I still believe the call was incorrect with this hand. If you lose as you did you will most certainly go on tilt and your next game or current game will suffer.. I believe you are already suffering from tilt when you made the decision to play this hand to a raise to begin with, but again just my opinion.. A good discussion nonetheless.

[rryu87]

silwil checks
peroxide_stings has 15 seconds left to act
peroxide_stings bets 898
silwil raises to 4,270
peroxide_stings raises to 7,480, and is all in
silwil calls 3,210
peroxide_stings shows [Jd Qs]
silwil shows [Ks Qd]


probably the best chance to get out here... check raise half of his stack...? You just got played on this hand... maniac even smooth called with KQ from blind and such a cooler that q hit...

[BguitarH]

quit poker in my opinion, you clearly aren't worthy....

[peroxide_stings]

Originally Posted by BguitarH

quit poker in my opinion, you clearly aren't worthy....

Def. the best advice thus far

After thinking it over....I saw the villian show some low quality hands as well, his amount of check raise either means 2 hearts or I'm beat imo...went with my gut