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    Understanding Equity

    It is painfully obvious to me that the top online players have a great understanding of equity. In a general sense, I understand equity. I know that if I have a lot of equity, it is good. Little equity is bad. However, I don't really know how to calculate it or how to apply it. How much different is equity from pot or implied odds? I'm looking for an expert to help myself and others, in depth, but yet in simple English, understand equity.
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    Fold Equity is an easy concept to understand and it is more "theory" than math. Actual hand equity, as I understand it, is virtually all math and not a shove specific tool, but rather information that is used on every street with or without the intention to make an opponent fold.
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    I think you should read small stakes Holden by skalAnsky and frIends. It really explains how hands fair against a number of hands. Let's say hand x has 20 % equity against 4 other opponents, it is break even (example is limit). Now make the hand suited and gain 3% in equity and the hand goes to a profitable hand and a mistake to fold.
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    You should also try using poker stove and hand calculators.
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    Equity is what % of the pot you win on average. Specifically Pot equity is how often you win if you get to showdown. If you have a 50% chance of winning in a 100$ pot, you have $50 pot equity and your opopnents have the other $50

    Fold equity is how often you win by attempting to make your opponent fold. If you have a 50% chance of your opponent folding in a $100 pot then you have $50 fold equity.

    In addition there is Implied equity (implied odds) is the % of chips that are still in the players stack you win on average. You can't calculate this. Unless you know how the hand will play out in every situation.

    I don't really know how to calculate it or how to apply it.
    It's a really general concept that you apply already whether you know it or not. Any poker strategy aims to fold when equity is low and continue when equity is high in general.

    Example

    You play AA instead of 32o because AA has better pot equity.

    You bluff/playback more on the flop more with one player in the pot than with 8 players in the pot because your fold equity is higher.

    You play more in position because your implied equity (how much you make later in the hand) is greater in position.

    So you already use equity whether you know it or not. Poker players skill level can be described by how good they are at correctly guessing how much equity they need, and if they have enough. Every single decision this.
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    buy a leggo poker subscription. then cancel it. you will get 7-10 days free and you can watch a bunch of videos. In the "presentations" section there is a 3 part power-point about Poker Math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cambo71 View Post
    I think you should read small stakes Holden by skalAnsky and frIends. It really explains how hands fair against a number of hands. Let's say hand x has 20 % equity against 4 other opponents, it is break even (example is limit). Now make the hand suited and gain 3% in equity and the hand goes to a profitable hand and a mistake to fold.
    How do I know that hand x has 20% equity? Is this the same as my %chance of winning a hand if we go to showdown? For example, my AKo is 45% to win vs 77o.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dyehard View Post
    How do I know that hand x has 20% equity? Is this the same as my %chance of winning a hand if we go to showdown? For example, my AKo is 45% to win vs 77o.
    I'm in the same boat as Dyehard here. I am assuming from what has been said so far and what I have read, this is primarily based on my ability to put my opponents on accurate hand ranges, or even specific hands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idontplay6s View Post
    buy a leggo poker subscription. then cancel it. you will get 7-10 days free and you can watch a bunch of videos.

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    I do want to say I am living in Vegas, which might be really different that 'real' America.
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