1-2 NL hand at Hollywood

**Shabazz Jenkins** · 10-16-2012 12:05 PM

I don't play cash games very often and I'm wondering how bad I played this hand. All feedback is welcome.

I have a pretty tight image but recently cracked AA w/6h8h. I have 150bb. Other stacks in the hand are 80-300bb.

UTG tight abc player raises to $12.
UTG + 1 tight weak player calls
MP solid player calls
button very loose aggro w/big stack calls
I flat from bb w/5s7s

Flop comes 355 rainbow. I check.
OR bets $25
UTG+1 folds
MP calls
Lagtard calls
Me......

I didn't want to lead out because I thought I would be defining my hand, but now if I raise its even more obvious what I have. And now with the 2 callers I'm wondering if one may have 33 or a 5 with a better kicker.

How would you proceed?

**selfproclaim** · 10-16-2012 09:25 PM

Cash plays totally different than tourneys, betting out has meant nothing to the donktards in my limited cash experience. They speculate every single board. I generally would bet out at this board. As played, this would be a perfect spot to represent the 5 if you don't have one, so they will call to see what you do on turn. Only good players recognize your table image unless you don't play any hands at all. I would raise and expect to get 2 callers. Then proceed with normal bet on turn.

**dyehard** · 10-16-2012 11:35 PM

I like c-c.

**Shabazz Jenkins** · 10-18-2012 08:31 AM

I decided to just call. Turn comes a 4 with no flush draws. I check here planning raising any bet but it checks around. River is a six. Do you lead out or check-call?

**ThrillCory90** · 10-19-2012 05:33 AM

I'd c/c flop in a vacuum. You really should try to play a style where you can no brainer c/r. As played c/r the turn is pretty horrible. Even versus fish you can fold out so many semi strong worst hands doing that.

**Shabazz Jenkins** · 10-19-2012 02:49 PM

I plan on check-calling the river and its checked around to lagtard who instantly puts out a stack of $110. From observing his earlier play, I don't think he does this w/anything less than a straight unless its a total bluff and could very well have been slow playing or hit a full house. So now I have $110 to call and best case scenario is a chop of the $160 pot. Looking back, I definitely should have c-r the flop.

Does anyone lead out here on the river? My thinking was to lead out $100 but not sure what I would have done of someone shoved.

**tincup** · 10-20-2012 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Shabazz Jenkins

I plan on check-calling the river and its checked around to lagtard who instantly puts out a stack of $110. From observing his earlier play, I don't think he does this w/anything less than a straight unless its a total bluff and could very well have been slow playing or hit a full house. So now I have $110 to call and best case scenario is a chop of the $160 pot. Looking back, I definitely should have c-r the flop.

Does anyone lead out here on the river? My thinking was to lead out $100 but not sure what I would have done of someone shoved.

Once you get to this point Shabazz you are positive ev to fold. In cash, and that is predominantly what I play, I ALWAYS LEAD this flop! The deep thinkers will see it as a donk bet and may even raise, the rest will fold. If the deep thinkers see it as donk bet, you may get someone to raise you and then you can reshove. I see no worries of another 5 in this spot and if there is I'll go broke before the turn 100% of the time. My opinion, if you flat with 57s and actually hit it you Must play it! Otherwise, why would you call in the first place only to fold later? I think the cash needs to hit the felt on the flop here and don't screw around with a "play" to check raise, it will get you into the trouble you ended up in here on the river.
That being said, if played as you did, I fold 100% of the time here on the river

Hope you ended up well sir~! I may be there tonight

**cusecrusher** · 10-20-2012 08:02 PM

"The deep thinkers will see it as a donk bet and may even raise, the rest will fold. If the deep thinkers see it as donk bet, you may get someone to raise you and then you can reshove." It is 1/2 casino players, deep thinkers don't exist at that game.

**Shabazz Jenkins** · 10-21-2012 03:54 PM

If there would've been any over card on the flop, I think a donk bet is better disguised. But with it being 355r, and my image at the time, what would I have been representing betting into 4 players? I think the correct play would've been to check raise the flop to $60 or so, and hope an over pair would shove.

Also the lagtard could really have any two here. 35o isn't out of his range. I think he bluffs at this pot often enough that I could call. I did and he had 77 for a rivered straight.