Should I have raised on the river?

**break_evan** · 05-20-2009 12:47 PM

I dont know why I didnt pushed river

, maybe I were just to surprised about my made hand , w/e :

my plan for flop/turn and river were to bet out pair of Ts , JJ, 99 , OESDs .

Full Tilt Poker $20,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 9 players

Hero (MP2): t2885 M = 48.08
JoZ66 (CO): t5485 M = 91.42
vjm1101 (BTN): t1485 M = 24.75
Giggi611 (SB): t3415 M = 56.92
BUBBLESftt (BB): t1770 M = 29.50
koti79 (UTG): t2430 M = 40.50
Pasterbator (UTG+1): t2525 M = 42.08
Miss Chrystal (UTG+2): t2690 M = 44.83
RiverBuster81 (MP1): t4315 M = 71.92

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is MP2 with

koti79 raises to t120, 3 folds, Hero calls t120, 4 folds

Flop: (t300)

(2 players)
koti79 checks, Hero bets t185, koti79 calls t185

Turn: (t670)

(2 players)
koti79 checks, Hero bets t400, koti79 calls t400

River: (t1470)

(2 players)
koti79 bets t440, Hero calls t440

**cardsfan04** · 05-20-2009 01:18 PM

I definitely am checking back flop, because there are 2 overs, so no need ot inflate the pot IMO.

Turn, I check as played, but if I check flop, and he checks to me again, I probably bet.

River, gotta get it in. If he has J9, bleh, but you lose value to soooo much of his range by not raising.

**pulpfunction** · 05-20-2009 01:29 PM

yeah i think he has something there and you can get some value out of so many hands. I would make a standardish bet, maybe 60% pot after his bet.

**otbdave** · 05-20-2009 01:33 PM

I put him all in for his remaining 1700 or so. Can't fold to a push after you raise river so cram it. I don't think he will call a min-raise or value raise so much more often as to justify not pushing.

Check/Call, Check/Call, Lead obviously looks like a draw though, and the only draw (J9) got there. So I don't think calling is ridiculous. But leading 1/3 pot with the nuts seems donk and looks more like a blocker bet.

**ThePenguin22** · 05-20-2009 04:18 PM

He bets 400 on the turn and 440 on the river, definate blocker bet. He has something and I would never just call here (I dont play tournaments though). Completely understand OTBs point of pushing but if it where me I raise 60% of the pot and pray for a call.

**cardsfan04** · 05-20-2009 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by otbdave

I put him all in for his remaining 1700 or so. Can't fold to a push after you raise river so cram it. I don't think he will call a min-raise or value raise so much more often as to justify not pushing.

Check/Call, Check/Call, Lead obviously looks like a draw though, and the only draw (J9) got there. So I don't think calling is ridiculous. But leading 1/3 pot with the nuts seems donk and looks more like a blocker bet.

He raised PF. If he's laggy enough to raise J9 PF, I doubt he plays an OESD this passively PoF. His PoF line def. looks like a draw, but it could easily be a marginal hand trying to get a showdown for what he wants to pay, and his PF action makes it seem unlikely to me.

I'd guess he has JJ tbh.

**break_evan** · 05-20-2009 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by ThePenguin22

He bets 400 on the turn and 440 on the river, definate blocker bet. He has something and I would never just call here (I dont play tournaments though). Completely understand OTBs point of pushing but if it where me I raise 60% of the pot and pray for a call.

there is s/t wrong , UTG check calls flop and turn and blockbets 420 at river.

check flop would be my " standrd play " . But isnt this line +EV ? :

His check at flop looks like a weak player or a weak hand or both

. Giving that read , I decided to trippel barrel ( fold if UTG bet 1 street ) . This should create ALOT of FE at any street IMO .

And yes , not shoving river is bad .

would like to discuss ............

**ThePenguin22** · 05-20-2009 07:43 PM

Sorry I thought he had bet the turn not you. This changes things as he now does look stronger and if he was drawing he may well of hit. I do believe I still raise though. If he has hit with J9 he is not really punishing you and it still looks like a blocking bet. He has now bet stronger than I first thought but I still come over the top.