Was it right to fold?

**Ant8472** · 07-06-2009 11:36 PM

hey guys, I am looking for some feedback into the way I played a hand. I found it to be an interesting hand because it is one of those situations where you have a great hand but can't be sure you are not against a bigger hand.

So here is the situation.

$1/$2 cash game at the casino.

I am on the button with 6-8s. Player A raises to $10 from early position, player B calls from middle. Blinds fold. 3 players to the flop. I know little about Player B but he doesn't appear to be a good player. He is drinking beer. I call for $10. Everyone has a decent stack. I am looking to hit the flop hard and stack someone. Pot is $33.

Flop comes 6-7-8 rainbow. I hit two pair. Player A bets $15, Player B calls $15. I raise to $50 trying to get rid of any drawers or taking away value from someone with an open ended straight draw. Player A folds B calls. Pot is $138.

Turn is a 9. Now I feel sick. Player B goes all in with his remaining $40. I thought about it and folded. He reveals a 9 in his hand but didn't show the other card. He tells me he had two overcards on the flop.

I think I made a mistake in folding. I was getting decent pot odds to call his bet even if he did have a straight. Also, after he revealed his card I figured he may have had A9 putting him on a straight draw and an overcard.

What do you think? Would you have made the same play? If not, why not? What would you put him on after the turn card came and he went all in?

Anthony

**Vestvik7** · 07-06-2009 11:48 PM

1. No- you do not have decent pott odds if he have a straight.

2. I call 100% of the time here as played. Funny thing to say but imo 9 is actually close to a blank here sort of. Only 1010 or funky gutshot/two pair comboes like 89 or 710 beat us more than they did on flopp. If he flopped it gg us. U are getting 4,5:1 and you are good way more often than that against a beer driking ATM. There is a lot of comboes he might have here, and A9 is close to what im thinking aswell.

**Ant8472** · 07-07-2009 12:33 AM

Why is the 9 close to a blank? He would only need a 5 or a 10 in his hand to have a straight. Couldn't he have A5, 55, TT, or any combination with either a 5 or a T?Intepreting straights where there are 2 or 3 connecting cards on the board has always confused me. It seems intuitive that when a 4th card comes putting 4 to a straight on the board, it drastically increases the odds someone has the straight. But I can see now that when the 4th connecting card comes it couldn't have helped him because that is the card he would have to have in his hand to be on an open ender.

I think there is a fair chance he flopped the straight with the way he flat called my raise of $50 leaving himself $40 to bet on the turn and river.

Either way, after the hand I felt I had made a mistake. This was one hand I'd never been involved in before and I wasn't able to fully compute what he might have had apart from a flopped straight.

Anthony

**reuter798** · 07-07-2009 01:48 AM

i see him moving in with the top pair. i cant really put him on 9 10 or 9 5 there, so i probably call his all in here

**Vestvik7** · 07-07-2009 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Ant8472

Why is the 9 close to a blank? He would only need a 5 or a 10 in his hand to have a straight. Couldn't he have A5, 55, TT, or any combination with either a 5 or a T?Intepreting straights where there are 2 or 3 connecting cards on the board has always confused me. It seems intuitive that when a 4th card comes putting 4 to a straight on the board, it drastically increases the odds someone has the straight. But I can see now that when the 4th connecting card comes it couldn't have helped him because that is the card he would have to have in his hand to be on an open ender.

I think there is a fair chance he flopped the straight with the way he flat called my raise of $50 leaving himself $40 to bet on the turn and river.

Either way, after the hand I felt I had made a mistake. This was one hand I'd never been involved in before and I wasn't able to fully compute what he might have had apart from a flopped straight.

Anthony

Yes, of course it is not a blank. But it doesnt change my feeling about my hand here that much. If he called your massive raise on flopp with donk-end or gutshot combinations, call him, find out, and rape his wallet. 4,5:1 man. Your hand only need to be good 1 time out off 5,5.

**ItsJimCarrey** · 07-07-2009 11:09 AM

I call 40 every day here

**LAPPIN** · 07-07-2009 11:32 AM

You might not like the turn card but you have to call. Your flop raise basically sets the price and pot-commits you. If a guy draws for the wrong price and hits, you gotta pay him off. Long-term, you will profit by setting the wrong price.

He might have flopped the nuts or he might have called with an ignorant straight draw and hit. It doesn't really matter though because for the price (40 into a 170 pot), you cannot ever fold. His range includes and is more likely to be a hand with a 9 so when he turns top-pair with a open-ended on board (good for some split outs!), he feels committed so he may as well get it in first. My suspicion is he had a combo-hand on the flop and may have turned two pair but if so, you still gotta pay the piper!

**D-Nut** · 07-07-2009 11:33 AM

I call, but I hate money.

**ALEE24** · 07-07-2009 12:19 PM

just call and pay him his money as played

**ThrillCory90** · 07-07-2009 02:34 PM

What were, the stack sizes?

I'd be relunctent to raise the flop in most situations. If all of the money goes in on the flop you will either be crushed or be ahead with the other player drawing to anywhere between 5-13 outs. If one of the other 2 players were deep, I'd be more tempted to just flat this and look to get value/induce bluffs/not overrep your hand for later streets.

If they were both shallow, then a raise here is good. But if they were both shallow, you shoulda mucked preflop. 86s is not a good hand. So if you weren't at least semi-deep with some reads on your opponents postflop tendencies, the call was a mistake IMO.

As played, don't fold. Pot odds.