Getting people to fold.

[shortmat1444]

I am just curious why i am always getting called by idiots with absolutley nothing. It doesn't really bother me. hence im ahead. But sometimes i don't want a 60 40 for all of my chips. Sometimes grant it i have a loose image. But wtf when i re raise all in preflop why doesn't anyone fold to me. Ill be playing a table where no one makes a crazy stupid move. THen i show huge strength and get called and they have nothing. Its not like they are pushing me, they are calling me. IM not saying for instance they are hitting but why don't people fold?

One example is my KK preflop at the final table. Kid said you re raised me once so now im going to put in 200k with 76 suited. On a 6 bet preflop???

Here is another.

Seat 1: rudyard (2,400)
Seat 2: NutFish (861)
Seat 3: TBTarHeel (8,101)
Seat 4: Shortmat1444 (3,580)
Seat 5: pAAtron1843 (685), is sitting out
Seat 6: bazul (1,775)
Seat 8: Sebi76 (1,280)
Seat 9: Iridium (1,290)
TBTarHeel posts the small blind of 80
Shortmat1444 posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Shortmat1444 [Ah 6s]
pAAtron1843 folds
bazul folds
Sebi76 folds
Iridium has 15 seconds left to act
Iridium has timed out
Iridium folds
Iridium is sitting out
rudyard folds
Iridium has returned
NutFish folds
TBTarHeel calls 80
Shortmat1444 raises to 3,580, and is all in
TBTarHeel calls 3,420
Shortmat1444 shows [Ah 6s]
TBTarHeel shows [Ts 9s]
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2s Qd]
*** TURN *** [Jh 2s Qd] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 2s Qd 8d] [4d]
Shortmat1444 shows Ace Queen high
TBTarHeel shows a straight, Queen high
TBTarHeel wins the pot (7,160) with a straight, Queen high
Shortmat1444: wtffffffff

Hes got a lot of chips so betting like 1k i feel he calls. So i say hes got shit and push. Saying fold no matter waht i don't wanta call. I do this for two reasons. I want him to think im an idiot for when i do it with a big hand. And B it gives me a loose image. I know i want theloose image. But i don't want people stacking off with 910 and 67 when i have AK.

[shortmat1444]

Full Tilt Poker Game #19794927426: $48 + $4 KO Sit & Go (151508587), Table 7 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:37:02 ET - 2010/04/03
Seat 1: WarDog2 (2,650)
Seat 3: dmatt108 (4,125)
Seat 4: Shortmat1444 (2,915)
Seat 5: Pocket7_x (4,040)
Seat 6: n3kt (4,155)
Seat 7: swd805 (2,960)
Seat 8: JBTHEBEST95 (3,155)
Seat 9: BACEK7 (3,000)
swd805 posts the small blind of 20
JBTHEBEST95 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Shortmat1444 [Jd Js]
BACEK7 calls 40
WarDog2 calls 40
dmatt108 folds
Shortmat1444 raises to 160
Pocket7_x folds
n3kt folds
swd805 folds
JBTHEBEST95 folds
BACEK7 calls 120
WarDog2 calls 120
*** FLOP *** [9c 9h 4d]
BACEK7 checks
WarDog2 bets 280
Shortmat1444 raises to 2,755, and is all in
BACEK7 folds
WarDog2 calls 2,210, and is all in
Shortmat1444 shows [Jd Js]
WarDog2 shows [4s As]
Uncalled bet of 265 returned to Shortmat1444
*** TURN *** [9c 9h 4d] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [9c 9h 4d 8h] [Jc]
Shortmat1444 shows a full house, Jacks full of Nines
WarDog2 shows two pair, Nines and Fours
Shortmat1444 wins the pot (5,520) with a full house, Jacks full of Nines

Full Tilt Poker Game #19792425624: $24,000 Guarantee (151255635), Table 2 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:51:24 ET - 2010/04/03
Seat 1: FederallyFunded (2,155)
Seat 2: Oleg_J10 (3,558)
Seat 3: Shortmat1444 (1,905)
Seat 4: Rabbit_hunterSA (2,240)
Seat 5: jaymanheaven (4,760)
Seat 6: lisloose (3,852)
Seat 7: bustin busters (4,360)
Seat 8: Grillat (1,105)
Seat 9: powpowpowpow (6,070)
jaymanheaven posts the small blind of 30
lisloose posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Shortmat1444 [8d 8c]
bustin busters folds
Grillat folds
powpowpowpow folds
FederallyFunded folds
Oleg_J10 folds
Shortmat1444 raises to 180
Rabbit_hunterSA has 15 seconds left to act
Rabbit_hunterSA raises to 660
jaymanheaven folds
lisloose folds
Shortmat1444 raises to 1,905, and is all in
Rabbit_hunterSA calls 1,245
Shortmat1444 shows [8d 8c]
Rabbit_hunterSA shows [Qd Jc]
*** FLOP *** [3d 6h 6s]
*** TURN *** [3d 6h 6s] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [3d 6h 6s Qc] [3c]
Shortmat1444 shows two pair, Eights and Sixes
Rabbit_hunterSA shows two pair, Queens and Sixes
Rabbit_hunterSA wins the pot (3,900) with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Shortmat1444: ure good
Shortmat1444 stands up

[Shoecrew22]

I like the call in the first hand by the guy, not even 50% of his stack to some1 who looks like they are defending their BB, and 9Ts isnt that bad of a hand in that case

[shortmat1444]

well shoecrew thats one huge leak in your game. Think about it. If you are limp calling no matter what. Just push me. And i might fold. Limp callign like that is making like you want me to push. When obv you don't. 50 percent of your chips in a 45 person is a lot. There isn't that much more to go and its not like you need 17k going into te final table to win. So you better revamp this play if you think it was a good call. I give credit to all people who push SB now with 74 and what not because fi you get called and its 60 40 oo0o well.

I honestly look backat the hand and don't even know why i did it. I risked 4k basically to win 320 i don't think it honestly was smart by me. But i think someone can fold 910 easily

[morgy9]

matt, you cant have it both ways... you want a loose image and wonder why they stack off with 910. then u dont want a call in another situation with the same type play. i dont understand. cant have your cake and eat it too so to speak, seams u have been running well lately anyway.

[shortmat1444]

I know I know im trying to figure it out. But the funny part is when i have a tight ass image i get called looseeeeee. I don't know. Just wondering.

[zombiestoner]

My 2c

1. Some poeple like to gamble [exploit these players].

2. Unintended consequence of nash equilibrium ICM. People assume that if you are shoving to collect smallish blinds you must have Nash on your side and won't call you down. Means that you can shove light and get away with it, as 74o is just as good as KQs if no-one calls you. So you now have players who try to pick off a light shove.

Eg who would shove to win 10% of their stack???? Someone with AA??? Maybe its a light shove?? T9s is a bit light but unlikely to be dominated ifyou do have a hand [eliminating JJ-AA from your range of course].

You could:
1. Try naming your cards before you shove all in, same as turning your cards face up before shoving in live poker [I think thats how it works].

2. Tighten up your shoving range and hope someone tries to pick you off, ie making your AA/KK look like a light shove....


2nd hand
He just had a bad read had you on overcards eg AK/AQ sort of hand

[Vestvik7]

NutFish folds
TBTarHeel calls 80
Shortmat1444 raises to 3,580, and is all in
TBTarHeel calls 3,420
Shortmat1444 shows [Ah 6s]
TBTarHeel shows [Ts 9s]
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2s Qd]
*** TURN *** [Jh 2s Qd] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 2s Qd 8d] [4d]

What on earth are you doing here?

[ThrillCory90]

You could:
1. Try naming your cards before you shove all in, same as turning your cards face up before shoving in live poker [I think thats how it works].

Is this allowed online? I know for sure you aren't allowed to show your cards in most live tournaments.

[Blck Jck]

NutFish folds
TBTarHeel calls 80
Shortmat1444 raises to 3,580, and is all in
TBTarHeel calls 3,420
Shortmat1444 shows [Ah 6s]
TBTarHeel shows [Ts 9s]
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2s Qd]
*** TURN *** [Jh 2s Qd] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 2s Qd 8d] [4d]

What on earth are you doing here?

Agree 100%. This hand basically gives you no credibility as a good player in my book. I mean, we all occasionally play crazy like this, but to then post the hand on a forum like the vllian is a moron is delusional.

Maybe you complan so mch about bad beats and coolers because you don't havethat great an understanding of the game.

This whole thread is dumb.