strangeish spot with QQ

weaktight | Hand | QQ - No Limit Holdem Tournament

Full Tilt Poker Game #22826924756: $12 + $1 KO Sit & Go (176344822), Table 4 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:21:59 ET - 2010/08/04
Seat 1: bewqb13 (4,140)
Seat 2: Cosey (5,870)
Seat 3: pillow100 (2,820)
Seat 4: HotChick28 (2,820)
Seat 5: farben-0 (2,020)
Seat 6: yanivhof (2,953)
Seat 7: coxx_m3 (4,367)
Seat 8: swens26 (2,630)
Seat 9: 211onYaChipStac (3,010)
211onYaChipStac posts the small blind of 30
bewqb13 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pillow100 [Qd Qc]
Cosey calls 60
pillow100 has 15 seconds left to act
pillow100 raises to 300
HotChick28 folds
farben-0 folds
yanivhof folds
coxx_m3 folds
swens26 folds
211onYaChipStac folds
bewqb13 calls 240
Cosey has 15 seconds left to act
Cosey has requested TIME
Cosey calls 240
*** FLOP *** [4c 4h 2c]
bewqb13 checks
Cosey checks
pillow100 has 15 seconds left to act
pillow100 bets 450
bewqb13 calls 450
Cosey folds
*** TURN *** [4c 4h 2c] [Ac]
bewqb13 checks
pillow100 checks
*** RIVER *** [4c 4h 2c Ac] [6h]
bewqb13 bets 850
pillow100 has 15 seconds left to act
pillow100 has requested TIME
pillow100 calls 850



Really interesting hand here
Cosey, plays vpip:12 pfr:10 limps utg?
I have him as a fairly solid reg
soo im maybe giving him a range of 88-1010
hence the really weak cbet flop bet trying to induce a shove from the range I put him on.

then i think i should of maybe b/f turn rather than check back turn and c/c blank rivers.

thoughts on all streets and thought process greatly appreciated

I probably raise a little less preflop so i have more wiggle room with that stack size, but to each his own. On the flop, if you are putting him on 88-TT, he is unlikely to be folding on this flop, so i wouldnt be afraid to raise large and make it 700 into 900 which would commit you no matter what the turn card is. Also, you dont want to get too cute against 2 players.

Im having trouble putting the BB on something you beat other than turning 55 into a bluff. It looks like he turned his flush or riv'd the 6's full. tbh i think you made this hand tough to play by not committing on the flop.

Im not sure if our stack is large enough to bet/fold the turn after already having nearly 1/3rd of our stack in there. So i guess i have to check behind on the turn and look if checked to on the riv make a 450 VB and prolly fold against this river bet.

any thoughts on overshoving flop? looking weaker, im pretty sure cosey will fold 99 and lower pockets after my iso in utg+1 and a bet between 2/3rds and 3/4 pot 3way but I need to charge clubs so maybe I could over shove here and get a call from lower pockets which are well within their ranges?

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Originally Posted by pillow100

any thoughts on overshoving flop? looking weaker, im pretty sure cosey will fold 99 and lower pockets after my iso in utg+1 and a bet between 2/3rds and 3/4 pot 3way but I need to charge clubs so maybe I could over shove here and get a call from lower pockets which are well within their ranges?

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i dont mind a shove on this flop at all. i would expect a call from plenty of pp's and possibly a flush draw. As long as you charge more on the flop, the hand will play itself at that point and be up to the poker Gods.

I fold the river. I'd expect him to check worse pairs on the river. He is repping ax that floated the flop or a broadway hand that floated the flop and is now bluffing. Especially with us having 2 queens in our hand i think he shows up with ax maybe 66 or 2x more often than not. Also, people are more likely to call the flop with ace high than k or q high.

i like the way you played it. he could have a missed fd, and i dont think we can just give him credit for an ace. if hes floating here with AJ no draw oop hes donk enough to have something random.

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Originally Posted by whereisdonny

i like the way you played it. he could have a missed fd, and i dont think we can just give him credit for an ace. if hes floating here with AJ no draw oop hes donk enough to have something random.

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I doubt he is betting a missed flush here since the 3rd club hit the turn. This would mean he floated with KQ type hand oop and one club, and bluffed after missing a runner runner flush draw. Seems more likely to me that he made his flush on the turn or has 66. The only ace i really see him showing up with is like an A5s type hand.

woops yes you are correct lol, misread the board. well in any case i suppose it seems reasonable that he has a flush or 66, but just given the way he played this hand so bad i feel there are plenty of combos of random nonsensical things. to make this a call. i dont rule out lower pocket pairs, maybe take out some combos of them. on another note you probably should have left out the results for this hand

nits ITT

call river plz unless you have a read that he can't bluff or vbet river w/o a big hand

I think betting turn is kinda close too. It's def not a b/f w/ the Qc. The problem is, you are likely folding out a ton of hands you get value from, so I lean toward check.