Full Tilt sng rake

[xbaddboy]

I was looking at the rake for the 9 mans on Full Tilt


1+.25 (-25% ROI)
2+.25 (-12% ROI)
3.5+.30(-8.5%ROI)
5+.50 (-10% ROI)
6+.50 (-8.3% ROI)

So a player should never play anything less than 6+.50 because they would only have to overcome a rake of 8.3%. Is it correct to calculate that your ROI is negative the rake which you have to overcome to turn a profit? Does anyone know why they charge so much rake for people with small bankrolls?

Thanks,
Roger

[Chipless Wonder]

Excellent observation.

See why it's so difficult to be profitable in tournaments?

ROI potential increases with field size, and this is good since the rake does not. So 10% ROI in 9-player fields is ~ 17% in 18-player fields and ~ 25% in 45-player fields.

You can confirm this using the Sharkscope leaderboards. Just select 'average profit for last 500 games' and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Zunga]

I was looking at the rake for the 9 mans on Full Tilt


1+.25 (-25% ROI)
2+.25 (-12% ROI)
3.5+.30(-8.5%ROI)
5+.50 (-10% ROI)
6+.50 (-8.3% ROI)

So a player should never play anything less than 6+.50 because they would only have to overcome a rake of 8.3%. Is it correct to calculate that your ROI is negative the rake which you have to overcome to turn a profit? Does anyone know why they charge so much rake for people with small bankrolls?

Thanks,
Roger

I am playing the $2 + .25 6 man Sng's now. Luckily the players are bad enough that you can beat the rake. Damn I wish i had rakeback.

[LAPPIN]

Rake online is lower than live rake - 10% at the $5 level is a good deal for the player. This is where any player looking to make money from the game should begin. The lower buy-ins are designed for social players so online poker rooms feel they can turn the screw a little on them. Similarly, a casino SNG would $60+15 or $100+20, making it virtually impossible to be profitable.

As you move up the stake levels, the game obviously gets tougher - a good player's ROI will decrease (in other words, his edge will decrease) and the player will be more clued in to finding value in a tournament. Therefore, poker rooms, will begin reducing rake incrementally the higher the buy-in.

$24+2 is a decent deal for the player at 8.3%. However, I have always been confused by the $69+6 where the buy-in is obviously higher but the rake is 8.7%!

[otbdave]

The "micro" buyin sng with a higher % of rake usually have such weaker fields that it is still very possible to overcome the rake.

I have no statistical evidence of this, but empirical evidence seems to back my theory.

[DevilFish73]

Zunga check out this thread about rakeback... I think it will help..

http://www.badbeatspoker.net/forum/o...full-tilt.html

[xbaddboy]

I did the sharkscope for 500 games and I see what you are talking about. Playing 9 man sngs I pay 1/3 of my gross income to rake after all wins and losses. So by playing the larger fields like the 45s I can improve ROI and overcome the brutallity of rake to bankroll by playing the larger fields providing I have the skill of course. So basically no one should even be playing
9 mans at all because of the rake grinding into your bankroll right?

Playing 45s is better value per dollar invested because of the rake you have to overcome. Time to swich to 45s and find your chart for correct bankroll size for 45s

[otbdave]

Some people may still need to play 9 mans due to time constraints.

However, as far as potential ROI, there is pretty much unanimous agreement that the larger the field size, the larger the potential edge.

[Zunga]

Apparently i signed up through pokernews.com when i first made my account a few years back. It took about 15 emails for them to even tell me who the affiliate that i signed up through was. Pokernews doesn't offer rakeback, so i think i am basically screwed. I don't know what I am supposed to do. i think i am just screwed for rakeback. Full Tilt is of no help at all when i email them, as far as i am concerned they have robots that answer emails, and you have to swear and threaten them before they give you a personalized response.