What's your line: Deep in FTP 21k

[Burying_Luck]

What's your line w/ TT here deep in the 21k on tilt. Prob around 35 left, not entirely sure, but villain was running 21/14 over 73 hands. Given stack sizes and his position, my position, and stacks behind, what's optimal? I think it's prob clear we want to get our chips in against the opener, but should we be calling, raising, etc?

Full Tilt Poker Game #12393791487: $21,000 KO Guarantee (92339146), Table 57 - 3000/6000 Ante 750 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:01:18 ET - 2009/05/23
Seat 1: socrates555 (193,792)
Seat 2: JWW007 (85,362)
Seat 3: TheDutchBear (110,750)
Seat 5: texsig (191,900)
Seat 6: kaviar (280,631)
Seat 7: Adelsborg (138,802)
Seat 8: 24Hour-rule (46,988)
Seat 9: Burying_Luck (208,997)
socrates555 antes 750
JWW007 antes 750
TheDutchBear antes 750
texsig antes 750
kaviar antes 750
Adelsborg antes 750
24Hour-rule antes 750
Burying_Luck antes 750
kaviar posts the small blind of 3,000
Adelsborg posts the big blind of 6,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Burying_Luck [Td Tc]
24Hour-rule has 15 seconds left to act
24Hour-rule has requested TIME
24Hour-rule raises to 16,000
Burying_Luck has 15 seconds left to act

[DevilFish73]

I reraise to isolate and insta call when he shoves preflop.. BTW Socrates555 is also a fellow BBPer...

[payerikplz]

Here I'd probably raise enough to put him all in, or at least most of the way. I think a good number would be like 40k total, just because you're ep, and I've gotten into alot of trouble isolating too much with a hand like TT from early position. It's kinda worrysome he didn't just ship it pre given his stack size, so he might have a monster, but I think you've gotta go with it anyway. The most important thing though is putting in just enough chips to keep others out, but not enough so that you lose too large a portion of your stack. I think making it 44,444 here would be great, just because I like the dumb numbers .

[Burying_Luck]

Yes, I mean, I'm trying as hard as I can to get my chips in against the shorty here. The real problem presented is villain being UTG and me being UTG+1 w/ 7 more hands to act. TT is strong, but I still feel I need to proceed with some sort of caution given all the stacks behind or at least be prepared as to what to do when someone else plays back at me. Of course that's what happened weeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Here's the second part, appreciate the responses.

Full Tilt Poker Game #12393791487: $21,000 KO Guarantee (92339146), Table 57 - 3000/6000 Ante 750 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:01:18 ET - 2009/05/23
Seat 1: socrates555 (193,792)
Seat 2: JWW007 (85,362)
Seat 3: TheDutchBear (110,750)
Seat 5: texsig (191,900)
Seat 6: kaviar (280,631)
Seat 7: Adelsborg (138,802)
Seat 8: 24Hour-rule (46,988)
Seat 9: Burying_Luck (208,997)
socrates555 antes 750
JWW007 antes 750
TheDutchBear antes 750
texsig antes 750
kaviar antes 750
Adelsborg antes 750
24Hour-rule antes 750
Burying_Luck antes 750
kaviar posts the small blind of 3,000
Adelsborg posts the big blind of 6,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Burying_Luck [Td Tc]
24Hour-rule has 15 seconds left to act
24Hour-rule has requested TIME
24Hour-rule raises to 16,000
Burying_Luck has 15 seconds left to act
Burying_Luck raises to 40,247
socrates555 folds
JWW007 folds
TheDutchBear raises to 110,000, and is all in
texsig folds
kaviar folds
Adelsborg folds
24Hour-rule folds
Burying_Luck has 15 seconds left to act

So this is not exactly what i wanted to see obv, but where do we go from here? Reads on dutchbear are that he was a losing player, but played higher buy ins (not entirely sure what I can take from that). Also I had been pretty aggressive at the table opening fairly frequently and three betting etc. Even with these factors I would say dutchbear's range is QQ+ and AK and maybeeee JJ, but i doubt it. I'm getting like ~2.5 2.6 on a call i think. So is this a puke call or puke fold at this point? (notice guy w 7 blinds before opening the pot utg folded lol)

[Chipless Wonder]

Definitely don't like how this has turned out, but I think you have to call here with the odds you're getting at this point. His most likely hand is A-K anyways, but if he had A-K you probably wouldn't be posting this.

[Burying_Luck]

Yes obv didn't have AK but regardless I think it's a hand worth discussing because i just see diff angles to play it pre and avoid such gross yucky spots. I posted this on pwnage and think the best thing to do now would be to min-raise the original opener which would probably allow me to get away w/ the hand if someone comes over the top.

Something to think about.