7/2 Big blind.

[ItsJimCarrey]

Hopefully I can preface this hand with enough information to allow you guys to give me some good advice.

Full table 25/50. All participlants in this hand have at or above $50 except the guy in mid position. There are four people in the pot.

The pot is limped around and I hold 7/2o in the big blind. I check my option.

The flop comes 7-7-10 with two hearts. I check intending to check raise.

Guy in mid-pos bets out 3. This bet is quickly called by the seat next to him as well as the small blind.

I make it 12 to go from the big. The initial better tanks and then shoves in $18 putting him all in. The guy next to him folds and the small blinds shove around 80 which has me covered.

What do I do?

[otbdave]

How much money do you have exactly? $50? It matters a lot here.

The guy pushing 80 could have a wide range of hands here, any two big hearts, 89hh, and sometimes he will have A7,K7,Q7,J7,107,97,87,67,57,47,37.

Most of the time he will show up with the draw, almost never an overpair, 1010, or 107, and sometimes he will have the bigger trips.

The original push here is kinda in the same situation, but who really cares cause his stack is much smaller. You are virtually already capped with him anyway.

I say fold almost everytime but if you want to gamble in a very big sidepot and have any reads on your big stack here you could stick it in. Like I said I am unsure how big the side is looking here.

[otbdave]

You definately cannot fault a fold here, you showed your strength, a guy wants allin anyway so he is strong, and the guy open shoving can be isolating with either a hand that crushes you or a hand you are racing with.

[Bravehearts2]

And?..............

[D-Nut]

I think this one is an easy fold. Well.....easy from the outside.....not real easy sitting in the seat. But a fold that I am sure I would make after just a few seconds....

[Bravehearts2]

Come on let us out of our misery.

What did you do?

What was the outcome?

[ItsJimCarrey]

Sorry Guys about my late answer.

I think I had $68 bucks after I check raised.

I thought for a few seconds that felt like minutes and folded. I felt like I was racing against a flush draw and a better seven. The mid position small stack didn't bother me obviously as Dave said I pretty much put him all in with my check raise.

Mid pos had two hearts (4-5h) The guy who shoved had a bigger seven. (7-3o) lol.

Long story short I folded a hand that would have chopped.

Tks for the input.

[ItsJimCarrey]

The table was amazed when I told them what I had folded. Several people said they would never fold my hand even though I was over my original buy in of $50.

It seems like that's obviously a losing strategy but that brings me to a follow up question:

At what point would you guys make the call here? If you have only $40 behind or less? I'm not looking for a formula because I understand that every situation is different.. however, it interested me when Dave mentioned that my stack size was very important.

Perhaps its as simple as having twenty behind and being pot committed.. or am I missing something more here?

[D-Nut]

The table was amazed when I told them what I had folded. Several people said they would never fold my hand even though I was over my original buy in of $50.

It seems like that's obviously a losing strategy but that brings me to a follow up question:

At what point would you guys make the call here? If you have only $40 behind or less? I'm not looking for a formula because I understand that every situation is different.. however, it interested me when Dave mentioned that my stack size was very important.

Perhaps its as simple as having twenty behind and being pot committed.. or am I missing something more here?

A couple things come to my mind on your post.....

1.) Of course the donks say they would never fold it....that is what you find at this level, and why you probably will dominate this stake most of the time.....these guys aren't bothering to think about what the other guy has.....only the fact they hit trip 7's and that is a good hand, so let's get it all-in. They fail to mention the fact that the villian has pretty much told us what he has, and they blindly throw money around.....

2.) I agree with 99.9% of what OTB says most of the time, but I'm not so sure stack size will ever matter to me on this one. It is all standard read-based play at this point for me. There is really no way I'm entering a three-way with the way this hand went down. You have shown your strength here, and have made it quite clear what you have.....yet Player C still threw his entire stack into the pot directly into a player that could effectively bust him. As said by many players at the table.....no one is expecting you to fold a 7 here......so he is not shoving here with any fold equity at all. And I cant imagine that someone would want to go to war with any unmade hand here for their stack when redraws are everywhere.....I'm sure the guy would love to make his hand, and still not win.....a distinct possibility.

So with a 2 behind my 7.....I'm not entering this pot....I chalk it up to bad luck and lose my 12 bucks or so.

[otbdave]

2.) I agree with 99.9% of what OTB says most of the time, but I'm not so sure stack size will ever matter to me on this one. It is all standard read-based play at this point for me. There is really no way I'm entering a three-way with the way this hand went down. You have shown your strength here, and have made it quite clear what you have.....yet Player C still threw his entire stack into the pot directly into a player that could effectively bust him. As said by many players at the table.....no one is expecting you to fold a 7 here......so he is not shoving here with any fold equity at all. And I cant imagine that someone would want to go to war with any unmade hand here for their stack when redraws are everywhere.....I'm sure the guy would love to make his hand, and still not win.....a distinct possibility.

I definately agree with you here Dave, but in a very special situation I would consider making the call if the stacks were very big and I had some major reads on the guy. The guy shoving has the fold equity of making sure our hero folds here so he can isolate the moderate sized pot.

Him being in the small blind makes it improbable he forgot to raise his AA here, but I see people doing that somewhat frequently.

Overall though, in general I will renig my statement about the stack sizes, other than that if the stacks are very big it might be wise to at least consider the isolation play, and if our hero is tiny he may be committed to hope for a big 3-way flip.