W.S.O.P. $1,500 - call post-flop raise with top pair, top kicker?

[wreaks]

(Note: these hands are out of order to disguise what happened when)

Table set up with relevant players:
Seat 2: 20-something guy from LA. Seemed to be fairly TAG, folding a lot of hands PF.
Seat 3: me
Seat 6: middle-aged Southeast Asian guy wearing a WSOP bracelet. Seemed to be looser but smart.
Seat 10: middle-aged European guy wearing a WSOP bracelet. Had won the bracelet in a HORSE event this year. Seemed looser and a bit wild.

Blinds 50/100. I have ~4500 chips.

Seat 6 in the BB, I'm in the cut-off. Folds around to seat 1, who limps, I limp with A10o, SB calls, BB checks. Flop is:



SB checks, BB checks, seat 1 checks, I bet 550 (not realizing pot size). SB folds, BB (~3500) raises to 1400, seat 1 folds.

What do I do? What do you put seat 6 on?

[Goldnutz69]

IT sucks to let this hand go in this spot. Think this is a tough spot to be in. The BB could have anything, and your going to have to commit your whole stack pretty much if you want to find out if your good or not. You might have him you might not. He probably raises pre-flop with any over pair to the board. He probably checks before the flop with 5's , 2's , or 52. It kinda feels like a set is unlikley. I mean why would you check-raise this board with a set of 2's o 5's. That doesn't make much sense. I guess I put him on 10 2,52 or 34. I probably fold just not wanting to race for all the money this early.

[D-Nut]

These hands are why this structure sucks......once mis-step, and you are toast....You hate to go down in flames with one pair....and like Chuck said, this is a move that I would make out of the BB with bottom 2 pair, or even 10-x to find out exactly where I stand in the hand...having 10-x here, I want to be the last aggressor on this street....and instead of me wondering if I'm good facing a raise, I want to be the one to put this raise in.

You do have a little fold equity here I think......but I wouldnt expect a fold. This one is tough......man you got a tough table.

Knowing me....I'd probably fold this hand. Not because I had some sick read, I'll be honest, it would probably be more of a scared fold than anything else.....I wouldnt want to go bust on this hand (or essentially bust)

[otbdave]

Checkraise doesn't often seem like a play here, and you are only beating a play. Tank and fold.

[PokerBroker]

You could write me off as being too aggressive but my statement on Hand 1 applies here too. You tend to give away more pots when you limp preflop than when you raise. If you raise preflop here you win this hand, but instead have to fold because you can't reasonably put the small or big blind on any given hand. They certainly aren't going to give you credit for top pair/top kicker and could overplay their own weak hands forcing you to fold.

[SparX]

They certainly aren't going to give you credit for top pair/top kicker and could overplay their own weak hands.

Isn't this a good thing?

Despite disagreeing with PB's logic, I think this is a very easy raise to ~ 400here with a strong hand in position. Seat 1's limp = weakness.

Bet sizing is the biggest weakness (IMO) of live players, do not fall into this trap. Practice keeping track of the size of the pot and of your opponent's stack sizes.

As played, this is the one hand of the 4 that I fold. Villain rarely c/r with worse hands here and he is obviously trying to get the stacks in the middle on the turn which you won't be able to call.

[PokerBroker]

Isn't this a good thing?

This is only a good thing if you are confident in your ability to play your own hand effectively, which doesn't seem the case here.

[D-Nut]

Realistically, we're all basically saying to lay this hand down....but is that really correct?

I've been thinking about this hand, and just for a second think from this perspective and let me know if you still think laying down is correct......

Derek limped in behind (weakness)......raggy 10 high board flops. Derek overbets the pot....and gets check-raised for a guy who is showing a willingness to play for his entire stack with his move.

This move is automatically making us put him on a hand better than top/top here. And with the overbet, I'm sure that top/top is the very best the villian is putting Derek on here.....and if Derek is going to laydown top/top....why not put this checkraise in with complete air??

If the villian knew this play would work....and according to the play of this hand, why wouldn't it? Then this play is simply being outplayed (if in fact he had air)...and I think it is highly possible.

I'm not saying that folding is the "incorrect" play here.......it is probably the "correct" play.....but it doesnt mean we werent severely outplayed by folding here.

[otbdave]

I think Derek is good only because this hand is posted on the forum and the obvious move is fold.

Other than that, you cant face the play the opponent made. I just cannot put someone on a very elaborate move like that in this tournament. If its a play, good play and I still fold to him. Hopefully he keeps "making plays".

[otbdave]

As played, this is the one hand of the 4 that I fold. Villain rarely c/r with worse hands here and he is obviously trying to get the stacks in the middle on the turn which you won't be able to call.

My answers have to agree with this. If you don't win some of the other hands you can't help you were coolered, too commited, or had played the hand too strangely to justify a fold in any of the other scenarios.

If you are good here, good play opponent.