FearToxin90/YG Collusion

**PokerBroker** · 02-24-2010 02:05 AM

This thread is nothing against Chris or any others affiliated with CSC in any way. However, the most blatant form of collusion took place in the .5/1 PLO cash game and it's a disgrace.

Well into the game, three players came in together, clearly friends, but no different than most other cash games in the area. Sitting down at the table it was clear that they were just tossing money around toying with each other with an occasional outsider periodically getting caught in the middle. Player 1 sits in seat 10 buying in for $30, Player 2 sits in seat 9 buying in for $100, Player 3 sits in seat 5 buying in for $100. All players clearly have a knowledge of the game.

Players 1 pots preflop every hand, re-potting for the full $30 each hand. Player 2 and Player 3 consistently see flops with the occasional re-pot to chase the unfortunate outsiders out having gotten caught in the middle. 70% of the hands include all three players with Seat 10 being all-in preflop each hand.

I picked up on the action pretty quickly (I admit, I've been there before and have won a lot of money in casino ring games playing with an armada) and considered cashing out (I was up $600+ in the .5/1 game). Then, ridiculously enough, they start talking at the table about how much action they are sharing clearly revealing that they are holding each other's action.

Then the following hand goes down. I am in seat 8 in the SB with suited aces. Seat 10 ($35) raises pot to $5 (there is dead money in the pot). Folds to Seat 5 who calls $5. No callers, I pot to ~$22. Seat 9 calls. Seat 10 goes all in for $34 reopening the pot. Seat 5 folds. I re-pot to isolate to $134. Seat 9 goes all in for $250. Did I mention that this is preflop action?

Needless to say my suited aces don't hold, however, seat 9 tables KJ97 with three spades. Now I'll throw around money with the rest of them and it certainly isn't about the $ for me, those of you who play with me regularly can attest to that.

In all fairness to Chris, I took my lump and cashed out after some debate with the cheaters. I certainly didn't expect, nor did I ask, Chris to make any kind of ruling and I don't feel the play tonight reflects how the club is on a consistent basis.

I take advantage of people at the poker table regularly! But it is always within the integrity of the game.

**ThrillCory90** · 02-24-2010 04:39 AM

I'm the KJ97. The $30 buyin was my friend bill who is dealer who is highly respected by just everybody who knows him. The other $100 was Young gun who anybody who knows him would know he would never engage in shady behavior. I'll post after I read this.

**geoff99gt** · 02-24-2010 04:42 AM

so getting a ton of money in behind is a new form of collusion?
also, your aces were not suited, you were a dog to the all in for $36.

**PokerBroker** · 02-24-2010 05:10 AM

Excellent... it is now open to debate... I should almost start a poll...

A) Collusion
B) Worst card player in history of Omaha

**ThrillCory90** · 02-24-2010 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by PokerBroker

This thread is nothing against Chris or any others affiliated with CSC in any way. However, the most blatant form of collusion took place in the .5/1 PLO cash game and it's a disgrace.

No collusion took place. Only 2 players in that building (1 being you) believed that. The only disgrace was the quality of play me and my friends put on.

Well into the game, three players came in together, clearly friends, but no different than most other cash games in the area. Sitting down at the table it was clear that they were just tossing money around toying with each other with an occasional outsider periodically getting caught in the middle.

We were sitting at young gunn's house betting $5 on ice skating when I said "hey, we should go gamble it up at CSC they got a plo game today". We were there to gamble and in no way were trying to win which was obvious.
Player 1 sits in seat 10 buying in for $30, Player 2 sits in seat 9 buying in for $100, Player 3 sits in seat 5 buying in for $100. All players clearly have a knowledge of the game.

lol at this. Young gun barely knows the rules of PLO and honestly, is the nut low in that game.

Players 1 pots preflop every hand, re-potting for the full $30 each hand.

Shouldn't be a suprise. Doesn't take a ton of poker experience or a good reader to figure this out. As bill was signing up you should have heard me saying from the table "wow I wish I woulda just bought $30 so I coulda just jammed ever hand. Bill, you should buy in for $30 so you can jam every hand." "Yea, I'll just buy $30 so I can jam every hand. Then I'll buy $100. Should I buy the $100 first and then buy the $30" "No dude, buy the $30 so you can start jamming now."

Player 2 and Player 3 consistently see flops with the occasional re-pot to chase the unfortunate outsiders out having gotten caught in the middle. 70% of the hands include all three players with Seat 10 being all-in preflop each hand.

This is just funny. It's funny because what we were doing was not profitable poker. Jamming every hand regardless of your cards is not profitable. If we were cheating we were only cheating ourselves because we made it abundently clear that we were there to gamble and we planned on trying to get all in early and often.

I picked up on the action pretty quickly (I admit, I've been there before and have won a lot of money in casino ring games playing with an armada) and considered cashing out (I was up $600+ in the .5/1 game). Then, ridiculously enough, they start talking at the table about how much action they are sharing clearly revealing that they are holding each other's action.

You have a hidden brag in this part. Why would we discuss this if we were doing it to cheat. Wouldn't we be hush about. We were sharing action because again, we were there to gamble not to win money, and we wanted to take pieces of each other because it's fun.

Then the following hand goes down. I am in seat 8 in the SB with suited aces. Seat 10 ($35) raises pot to $5 (there is dead money in the pot). Folds to Seat 5 who calls $5. No callers, I pot to ~$22. Seat 9 calls. Seat 10 goes all in for $34 reopening the pot. Seat 5 folds. I re-pot to isolate to $134. Seat 9 goes all in for $250. Did I mention that this is preflop action?

Everybody at the table knew Bill was jamming before the hand even started. Not because he jammed the last 10 hands and has rebought multiple times. But because he said before the hand even started "I'm jamming". I just wanted to see a flop because I was nitting it up and only playing 50% of my hands at the time and wanted to loosen it up a little (no typos in this statement lol). Once you repotted it I thought to myself "well sucks he has aces, hopefully I my rungood is turned on because I'm not folding."

Needless to say my suited aces don't hold, however, seat 9 tables KJ97 with three spades. Now I'll throw around money with the rest of them and it certainly isn't about the $ for me, those of you who play with me regularly can attest to that.

You forgot to meantion that Bill had a better pair of aces than you. But a good thing to notice is that you are a favorite in the hand against me. I put in 200 bbs with the worse of it and sucked out. How is that cheating. That's just a donkey running good IMO. I didn't cheat you out of money. I just ran good against you. If we were playing holdem and Bill went all in with TT and I shoved another $300 with 64s and sucked out on your aces, would you claim that you were cheated. You had the best of it man, sorry about your luck.

In all fairness to Chris, I took my lump and cashed out after some debate with the cheaters. I certainly didn't expect, nor did I ask, Chris to make any kind of ruling and I don't feel the play tonight reflects how the club is on a consistent basis.

I take advantage of people at the poker table regularly! But it is always within the integrity of the game.

Here's the deal man, I played a 15 hour session at the gemini yesterday. It capped off an entire weekend of poker for me and included about 9 hours of intense concentration being over $5,000 deep at a 5/5 game. I lost a ton of money taking a shot last month online and have been grinding super hard for a few weeks. I had a huge winning weekend and just wanted to relax one time. What I was doing was no different than when I go to a 10nl table online and shove all in every hand.

Play with me some more and get to know me and I guarentee there would be no way you could ever believe that I would ever try to cheat people out of money at a poker game.

**zombiestoner** · 02-24-2010 05:31 AM

Anyone who loses with AA in PLO has obviously been cheated. Especially in a multiway pot.

**ThrillCory90** · 02-24-2010 05:32 AM

Ryan, may I change the thread title of this to "Will (FearToxin90) Cory Is a Cheater!!!" ?

I'm going to. Let me know if you want it changed back and I or another mod will change it back to CSC Collusion.
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I want to change it to "feartoxin90 and young gun exposed".

**rryu87** · 02-24-2010 05:39 AM

loool, OP sorry about your aces getting cracked in omahahahahahahahahaha.
keep your chin up man, maybe you should move up where they respect your raises instead of playing .5/1 plol.

OMG FEARTOXIN! 3 spades! wat are you doing! lulz how did u hit anyway?

**ThrillCory90** · 02-24-2010 05:50 AM

Board comes J968T or something like that to give me a straight to scoop the $500 pot. Geoff immediately starts complaining about how he knew he shoulda played his KQxx.

Pokerbroker's aces were not sooooted. Bill had the best hand with his sooooted aaxx. Bill sucks at running good like me. He was stuck about $250 $30 at a time after we left.