Full Tilt Rigged poker.

[Ant8472]

This happens to me every game, every day, every week, every month on Full Tilt.

Full Tilt Poker Game #12072713228: $28,000 Guarantee (90232793), Table 34 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:52:13 ET - 2009/05/06
Seat 1: fabtel (1,715)
Seat 2: DieLikeASpartan (6,190)
Seat 3: gencass (9,800)
Seat 5: Becka Lynn (11,475)
Seat 6: klodi (3,183)
Seat 7: Ant8472 (3,380)
Seat 8: nickyluvshu (4,905)
Seat 9: nickduke5 (3,390)
Becka Lynn posts the small blind of 40
klodi posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ant8472 [Js Qs]
Ant8472 raises to 160
nickyluvshu folds
nickduke5 folds
fabtel folds
DieLikeASpartan folds
gencass folds
Becka Lynn calls 120
klodi calls 80
*** FLOP *** [3s 4s Jd]
Becka Lynn checks
klodi checks
moagz sits down
moagz adds 1,930
Ant8472 bets 240
Becka Lynn folds
klodi calls 240
*** TURN *** [3s 4s Jd] [Jh]
klodi checks
Ant8472 bets 480
klodi calls 480
*** RIVER *** [3s 4s Jd Jh] [Ac]
Becka Lynn has been disconnected
Becka Lynn has reconnected
klodi bets 2,303, and is all in
Ant8472 calls 2,303
*** SHOW DOWN ***
klodi shows [2h 5h] a straight, Five high
Ant8472 mucks
klodi wins the pot (6,526) with a straight, Five high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,526 | Rake 0
Board: [3s 4s Jd Jh Ac]
Seat 1: fabtel didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: DieLikeASpartan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: gencass didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Becka Lynn (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: klodi (big blind) showed [2h 5h] and won (6,526) with a straight, Five high
Seat 7: Ant8472 mucked [Js Qs] - three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 8: nickyluvshu didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: nickduke5 didn't bet (folded)

[cantshaikme]

He would never go shove like that without at least the other J in his hand. I'm actually surprised he didn't have a boat. horribleeeee river tho... Thought bad beats weren't gonna at the top anymore?

[Ant8472]

Hey I am new here so I am not sure about the protocols. I might have posted this in the wrong place.

[Vestvik7]

people raise QJ utg at a nine handed table and blaim fulltilt for being rigged.. that tilts me

[ThrillCory90]

people raise QJ utg at a nine handed table and blaim fulltilt for being rigged.. that tilts me

Not QJ. QJs. A preflop Royal flush draw. The only problem is that it isn't QJ of hearts. But spades are ok.

I had almost the same hand happen to me the other day. Only difference was that the donk drawing at the gutter was me.

He would never go shove like that without at least the other J in his hand. I'm actually surprised he didn't have a boat.

For sure. When he shoves it shouldn't be an instacall. He is bluffing a little less than 0% of the time here. If this guy was really loose preflop (which his 25 implies he is), I'd probabally look him up since we are beating JT, J9, J8s, etc, and folding is never fun, but I wouldn't be too happy about it. This river actually could very well be a fold though. In fact, there might be an argument that it should be an easy fold, maybe. Especially if you had a read that it would be unlikely he'd play jx like this.

I know this isn't supposed to be a strategy thread but does anybody think that this river should be folded?

[IEatDope]

wow thats just outrageous wish idda saved the hand i lost last night KK vs 27 i had red kings he had 2c7h board was 10c8c4cAc5s he wins with flush

[Ant8472]

wow thats just outrageous wish idda saved the hand i lost last night KK vs 27 i had red kings he had 2c7h board was 10c8c4cAc5s he wins with flush

It was basically a move. I had good suited connectors and either wanted to lowball and take the pot there or get one or two callers who wouldn't put me on the hand I had if I caught a good draw or flopped trips. Of course I flopped a monster that had every chance of improving to a full house or a flush. The whole hand was very Full Tiltish. I misplayed on the river but still, those occurences happen too regularly to be random on this site. You can never check, trap or slowplay anything on Full Tilt because as sure as the sun will come up in the morning, their 3 or 5 outer will hit on the next street. Every card that falls on that board is persuasive. There is no such thing as a blank card on Full Tilt.

I started playing this morning and immediately the bad beats started up again. My two pair beaten by 5 outer on the river, my made straight beaten by a full house on the turn. Then, I called a raiser with TT. The flop comes 788. He checkes and I bet. He turns over Q8. Right after that, I am all in with KA against Kt and he catches a 10 on the turn.

This is all within 10 minutes of each other following an absolute sea of bad beats yesterday, and the day before, and the day before that. It is never ending.

I know there is a thing called confirmation bias. I've considered confirmation bias and I can honestly say confirmation bias is not influencing my thinking. I've thought carefully about the run of luck I've had and tried to balance my thinking by keeping track of the luck I've had in my favour. I can honestly say I gave one bad beat with a crippled stack when i pushed with a bad hand. The only time my cards hold up is when I am behind.

-----Added 9 May 2009 at 09:00:38-----

Hey dude, nice analysis. I agree with you. I made a huge mistake on the river. Perhaps not an insta-fold but I should have thought about, ran the hand through my head and looked at what his likely hand ranges were. That's the difference between a good player and a bad player and I have a lot to learn. If nothing else, I should have asked the question 'would a player bluff in this situation given that I've represented a jack holding in my hand?'. Its a good lesson.

But still, in keeping in the context of this thread, my argument is that these hands seem to happen much to often online. Every hand feels like a set up hand. I mean, when you've got QJ suited against 2-5 what better cards could you put on the flop and turn to create action.