$216 SNG Shove Ranges Discussion

[Vestvik7]

OK, here's the hand history...

Full Tilt Poker Game #12753812995: $200 + $16 Sit & Go (94787264), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:26:23 ET - 2009/06/11
Seat 1: ohhh hellooo (910)
Seat 2: syasyasya (1,205)
Seat 3: Duetheory (2,565)
Seat 4: milk n money (870)
Seat 5: MAXSHARK (1,525)
Seat 6: Chipless Wonder (1,360)
Seat 7: Vestvik7 (1,739)
Seat 8: R_SU_27 (3,326)
Duetheory posts the small blind of 50
milk n money posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipless Wonder [5c 5h]
MAXSHARK has 15 seconds left to act
MAXSHARK raises to 200
Chipless Wonder has 15 seconds left to act
Chipless Wonder raises to 1,360, and is all in
Vestvik7 raises to 1,739, and is all in
R_SU_27 folds
ohhh hellooo calls 910, and is all in
syasyasya folds
Duetheory folds
milk n money has 15 seconds left to act
milk n money folds
MAXSHARK has 15 seconds left to act
MAXSHARK folds
Vestvik7 shows [Kd As]
ohhh hellooo shows [Qs Qd]
Chipless Wonder shows [5c 5h]
Vestvik7: that was really stupid.. ..
Uncalled bet of 379 returned to Vestvik7
*** FLOP *** [Kc 9h 4d]
*** TURN *** [Kc 9h 4d] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 9h 4d Js] [5s]
MAXSHARK: i scared no so much
Vestvik7 shows a pair of Kings
Chipless Wonder shows three of a kind, Fives
Chipless Wonder wins the side pot (900) with three of a kind, Fives
ohhh hellooo shows a pair of Queens
Chipless Wonder wins the main pot (3,080) with three of a kind, Fives
Chipless Wonder: nh & gg
Vestvik7: whaT??
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,980 Main pot 3,080. Side pot 900. | Rake 0
Board: [Kc 9h 4d Js 5s]
Seat 1: ohhh hellooo showed [Qs Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: syasyasya (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Duetheory (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: milk n money (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: MAXSHARK folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Chipless Wonder showed [5c 5h] and won (3,980) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 7: Vestvik7 showed [Kd As] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: R_SU_27 didn't bet (folded)


And the chatter after the hand...

MAXSHARK: lol
MAXSHARK: donkwin

Vestvik7: jesus christ scott what are u doing?
Vestvik7: man what the f. are u doing?

Chipless Wonder: I acted before you and my hand was better than yours.

Vestvik7: ? thats your analysing?

Vestvik7 (Observer): Im about to post that hand but you dont want me to scott?

Chipless Wonder: Fine.

Vestvik7 (Observer): thats how a 6K downswing rolls...
Vestvik7 (Observer): seriously f... my life

Chipless Wonder: Take some time off.

Vestvik7 (Observer): right..... I(!) amm playing perfect sir

[Chipless Wonder]

I have 13 big blinds, there are 350 chips in the pot, and you think it's wrong for me to shove there? I realize you didn't like the outcome, but I really don't understand why you think this was a bad play.

[Vestvik7]

I have 13 big blinds, there are 350 chips in the pot, and you think it's wrong for me to shove there? I really don't understand why you think this is a ad play.

1.you are shoving over maxshark, whom you know, when he is actually min raising utg.

2.you got 6 guys to act behind you

Even openraising from utg+1 is bad imo in this spott, while shoving is way out there imo

[Quirmbach]

If one of you people who play with me regularly start posting all the marginal/bad plays that you see me make, you will stay veeerryy busy...

[Chipless Wonder]

You kidding?

1.you are shoving over maxshark, whom you know, when he is actually min raising utg.

2.you got 6 guys to act behind you

Even openraising from utg+1 is bad imo in this spott, while shoving is way out there

Sorry, but I completely disagree with you. Let's apply your same logic to how you played your hand...

1. You are shoving over MAXSHARK, whom you know, when he is actually min raising UTG. You are also shoving over Chipless Wonder, who certainly knows this, and still chose to overshove from UTG + 1.

2. You have five guys to act behind you.

3. Your starting hand is even worse than mine was.

[fcukyourluck]

If one of you people who play with me regularly start posting all the marginal/bad plays that you see me make, you will stay veeerryy busy...

true

especially my chat

[milk n money]

Im pretty sure you guys both played your hand badly. Vestvik Is right that your shove over Maxsharks open is way to loose considering the players behind you.

But I don't see how vestvik can criticize you and then shove with AK. Although his hand is better than yours in this spot. I know the pair is technically ahead but AK does better in a multiway All-in against semi-tight ranges.

[fcukyourluck]

Whats up, Vestvik, why dont you choose one type of game and mixing it (not only buyins, but game types also). in my opinion its something non professional and smeels game addicted lol

[Vestvik7]

Sorry I posted this thread could someone delete it?

But scott.... My starting hand do insanly better in that spott than yours.

Truelly I was a little fuzzed about having to make the overshove and was arguing myself this might be a fold. Having said that I then have no reason to attack scott from shoving since my calling range here might just be KK,AA

[Chipless Wonder]

Sorry I posted this thread could someone delete it?

Let's leave it up, since it's turning into a nice discussion, and might actually help my game.

But scott.... My starting hand do insanly better in that spott than yours.

Sorry, but I just don't understand why you think this is the case.

Man I got AK. 5 people behind me doesnt really matter much since im basicly only afraid of your range.

Let me ask you this... What range of hands did you think I might have in that spot? Anything WORSE than A-K?

Cant see how u defend the play however... How is this ever profitable? Just yesterday you gave a 17 bbs shove against btn the range of (88+ AQo AJs KQs)

I'm not necessarily saying that my play was great. I can see that it wasn't. However, I think that your play was even worse than mine, especially since there was already an UTG raise and a shove in front of you, from UTG and UTG + 1 positions.

I'm here to learn, so I won't be offended to realize that I'm a poker idiot...