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    Check this hand out and please give advise.

    I folded the hand, but I really thought about calling this. Would anyone have called this with a double belly buster and nut flush draw??????

    Full Tilt Poker Game #12325241178: $24 + $2 Sit & Go (92031195), Table 3 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:45:17 ET - 2009/05/20
    Seat 1: beernchip (1,275)
    Seat 2: patricii (1,625)
    Seat 4: holdemplayer81 (1,395)
    Seat 5: BauerKim (3,740)
    Seat 6: ramzito (3,120)
    Seat 7: KOODBE (3,035)
    Seat 8: BadBeatPete17 (1,635)
    Seat 9: Ardent Raynor (5,775)
    KOODBE posts the small blind of 40
    BadBeatPete17 posts the big blind of 80
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to holdemplayer81 [8s As]
    Ardent Raynor folds
    beernchip folds
    patricii folds
    holdemplayer81 raises to 240
    BauerKim folds
    ramzito folds
    KOODBE folds
    BadBeatPete17 calls 160
    *** FLOP *** [7h 6d Ts]
    BadBeatPete17 checks
    holdemplayer81 checks
    *** TURN *** [7h 6d Ts] [4s]
    BadBeatPete17 bets 1,395, and is all in
    holdemplayer81 has 15 seconds left to act
    holdemplayer81 has requested TIME
    holdemplayer81 folds
    Uncalled bet of 1,395 returned to BadBeatPete17
    BadBeatPete17 mucks
    BadBeatPete17 wins the pot (520)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 520 | Rake 0
    Board: [7h 6d Ts 4s]
    Seat 1: beernchip didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: patricii didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: holdemplayer81 folded on the Turn
    Seat 5: BauerKim didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: ramzito (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: KOODBE (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: BadBeatPete17 (big blind) collected (520), mucked
    Seat 9: Ardent Raynor didn't bet (folded)
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    Im not that sure why he has just pushed all in there? Your ace may be 3 extra outs to the many you already have. I completely understand why you fold here but with 4 players having roughly 3 times your stack when you fold this pot I may just gamble. With the blinds going up you have a long way to catch up at this table with the fold. I think I call.
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    You do have a lot of outs, but with only one card to come I think I'd fold here. I think this would be a completely different situation if you had this many outs, and were facing this action on the flop though.
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    if I'm tilting from other tables, probably insta call... assuming its 45man, after u fold, soon you will be in 10BB shoving stack and i think gambling here could be the same as flipping with 10bb stack later on. even with one card to go, you have 60% equity against all possible range.
    warning : this person is going up and down on elevators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rryu87 View Post
    if I'm tilting from other tables, probably insta call... .
    Ha!! So true!! Tilt= calling when you know your beat. I think -ev move with a 30% chance of catching. Yea your falling behind, but I think I fold and wait for a better shove.

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    I insta muck this hand. This hand is junk without fold equity. You have 16 out at most if you count your aces as outs and thats about 30% equity in the pot. This guy is making a big over bet and doesn't want you to call so I would call him lite with some made hands but i can't darw against him on the turn. If this where on the flop it might be a diffrent story. I would guess you have about 55% equity with this many outs on the flop. I still would rather be the guy shoving though.

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    definitely a fold. 1 card to come, we have no showdown value w/o improving, and we only have 12 outs in 46 unseen cards.
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    Any reads on vilian ? BB range could be very wide here IMO , asuming vilian has TJo its a close call :
    The pot is already 520 and you have to call 1155 .You need 40.81% to breakeven in cEV .

    Pokerstove:

    Board: 7h 6d Ts 4s
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 40.909% 40.91% 00.00% 18 0.00 { As8s }
    Hand 1: 59.091% 59.09% 00.00% 26 0.00 { JhTc }


    I dont give such overshoves alot of credit (vilian could draw himself or just spaz out ) so I prob call

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    Quote Originally Posted by break_evan View Post
    Any reads on vilian ? BB range could be very wide here IMO , asuming vilian has TJo its a close call :
    The pot is already 520 and you have to call 1155 .You need 40.81% to breakeven in cEV .

    Pokerstove:

    Board: 7h 6d Ts 4s
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 40.909% 40.91% 00.00% 18 0.00 { As8s }
    Hand 1: 59.091% 59.09% 00.00% 26 0.00 { JhTc }


    I dont give such overshoves alot of credit (vilian could draw himself or just spaz out ) so I prob call
    If we hand-pick it's just borderline, making calling and folding roughly the same EV. If we give him a range of hands with things like 2 pair, etc. (yes, we really have to include those), we lose 3 outs which makes it clearly -EV.
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    your right , but I think its represent an avarage handrange . Ive seen sets ,straights , TP , FD .... and alot of bluffs playing like this . A good read at BB would help alot

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