Good live cash win rate?

[Hwilli]

I'm curious what a good or average expected win rate should be for live cash per session. 100 BBs? 200? Less?

My records have me at around 32/hour playing 1/2 for last year. I was around 42/hour until I took a huge nose dive in November, and I took the rest of the year off after that.

I personally think 25/hour at 1/2 is maintainable, running 4 hour sessions. Anymore and I generally start losing focus. So about 50 BB per session in my opinion.


HTH,

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[ThrillCory90]

I was around 42/hour until I took a huge nose dive in November

Yea this is the key. If you haven't been on a few 15BI+ downswings you haven't played enough hands to know your true winrate. Until that happens you are running really good.

For how many hands I've played online and what I've read about this subject I really want to say 20bbs/100hands is the absolute best you can do. This could turn into 30bbs/100 depending on your style since live games are unraked. This would equal $14/hour at 1-2 and $21/hour at 1-3.

But live play is wierd. I've heard stories from people I trust about a guy named stan going to vegas and winning 70 buyins in 1 month playing 5/10. From everything I know I have a hard time believing it but the multiple people said they witnessed it.

My guess is that winrates can skyrocket when you are constantly 500bbs 1000bbs or more deep with everybody.

So who knows what's possible.

[wreaks]

If that's the Stan from Gemini, he could do that for sure. He is very good.

I guess anywhere from 50-75BB is good, while 100+ is very good.

Thanks for the input guys. If anyone else has some, feel free to add it.

[ThrillCory90]

The reason I have a hard time believing it is because I played with stan once before. I could see how he plays and how he could definitely destroy level 1 thinkers at gemini, but I wasn't THAT impressed.

Add to that the unbelievable part is that 1 months is not much more than 6k hands if you really grind. I couldn't make 70bis playing 1cent 2cent over that many hands. So there must be something I'm missing if his results are that good consistently. The game being uncapped and maybe getting some lucky donations is the only thing that can really account for that.

[wreaks]

Sure, one month isn't very long, but if you catch a heater at the right time, I think it could happen.

[AAron the B]

For how many hands I've played online and what I've read about this subject I really want to say 20bbs/100hands is the absolute best you can do. This could turn into 30bbs/100 depending on your style since live games are unraked.

I think you can compare soft live cashgames with online HU against a fish (you only play against weak opponents in both of em):

15-20BB/100 = about 35bb/100
35hands/h => 12bb/h

only if you play perfectly and the hole table is very weak!!

[Headhunter]

But live play is wierd. I've heard stories from people I trust about a guy named stan going to vegas and winning 70 buyins in 1 month playing 5/10. From everything I know I have a hard time believing it but the multiple people said they witnessed it.

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Don't forget that the 5-10 is uncapped ... so what constitutes a buy-in? I heard the same stories ...and I don't doubt that the people who told me were telling the truth (as they heard it). Could be true, could be exaggerated, could be a little of both.

I also sat next to a guy in Vegas at a 2-5 game who told me one night he ran hot at 2-5 so he sat with 1k at 5-10 (Bellagio), ran hot and went to 10-20. Hit a few monsters and went to a 25-50 game where he ended up winning
50k in one night.

Stan's story is possible ... I just don't think it's sustainable.

[ozzy]

Stan is the best player I've ever played against, by far. He also cashed 9k+ in one night at gemini* that's 30 buy ins........... In one night.

For 1 3, 100bb is my goal and just under my two year avg. I really strongly feel that based on game selection alone it can easily be much higher than this.

For 1 2, I'd imagine its about the same, maybe a little more, but I've only played about 4 months of 1 2, and I hate it.

My goal is always 1 buy in, no matter what game I play in.

[ThrillCory90]

At this point stan really just sounds like a myth. I remember this conversation the other day.

Player: Stan would just raise to 11 every hand.

Me: Ummm, i can't believe the table let him get away with that.

Player: He's so good he can get away with it.

Me: Yea, If he's within 4 seats to my right and raising ATC he's gonna lose a lot of money

Player: But he plays poker on a higher level. He plays your hand not his.

Me: I really don't care. I can beat a random hand.

And another one.

Player: Stan would just purposely dump 2k into a game so he could use the 70% rule and win it back and more.

Me: ......yea.... bad strategy.

[rryu87]

doubt you can outplay shovebots.